dorotea said:>Need before greed is much more a ME ME ME attitude than equal rolls for anyone interested<
I have never really focused on the issue of how rolls for loot should work - to me need/greed rolls are normal (and my experience goes back as far as that of anyone here - it just doesn't include EQ). The main debates I've seen in multiple MMOs aren't about need/greed as a concept but about details. Usually how to make sure that greedy or careless people couldn't roll need when they self-evidently didn't need the item. As in preventing classes that couldn't use an item from rolling need on it.
I would have thought that letting everyone roll equally was a ME ME ME approach (it isn't called "greed" for no reason) whereas allowing need rolls focused more on who could use an item. Obviously the point that everyone puts in the same effort and time is a valid one and I am not saying a pure greed system is bad - I just don't follow the argument reflected by the above quote.
I assume that many or most of us will have different views depending on whether an item binds on pickup. If an item DOES bind and anyone that cannot use it can only sell it to a NPC merchant for far less than its value (an assumption buried here - who is to say that NPC merchants won't pay more realistically for high value items) it is much harder to argue that someone that actually needs it shouldn't get priority over someone that can only sell it to a NPC for 12 copper pieces.
I think it's because the need/greed system is imaginary; there is no need or greed, only *want*.
I WANT this item and I *can* use it so I should have priority over the mage, because I want it and will use it...until I find something better or roll a new class, then I make a profit at that groups expense.
I WANT this item that I *can't* use because this rare doesn't drop mage items but it fetches a good price in trade, which I can use to get an item I *can* use and really want.
The latter example being most fair as everyone has equal opportunity to roll to satisfy their want as they all put in the time/effort and want to gear themselves equally.
Kilsin said:Let's bring this back on the topic of item tiers please, we have loot threads active if anyone wants to search for them and join them. :)
I'll link them for easy reference since that's just what I do :P
The main one: https://www.pantheonmmo.com/content/forums/topic/1348/instanced-versus-non-instanced-areas/view/post_id/39665
https://www.pantheonmmo.com/content/forums/topic/2177/raid-loot
https://www.pantheonmmo.com/content/forums/topic/4950/npc-difficulty-and-loot-tables
And more on-topic, this thread discusses the use of colors to denote the quality or rarity of items:
https://www.pantheonmmo.com/content/forums/topic/1550/armor-quested-vs-crafted-vs-loot