My understanding of the Quaternity is that there will be 4 major archetypes: Tank, Healer, DPS, Control
The only class that clearly fits in the Control archetype right now is Enchanter. In saying such, I imagine that enchanters will be one of the most sought after classes in the game. If every "ideal" group has at least one character for each of the major archetypes, that places a much higher demand on enchanters than any other class. If I had to guess, I would say that bard would also fall into the Control archetype, and that would help alleviate some of the burden placed on the enchanter community. Either way, in saying such, I imagine that having the bard class added to the game prior to launch is of paramount importance. Even then, the ratio would still be 3/3/5/2. For all the bard mains out there ... this is good news!
Discuss.
Crowd control isn't just mesmerized/charmed mobs. Rooting away from the group, quality pulling to control incoming mobs, snaring and kiting an add until the group is ready for it, all count as crowd control as well. Offtanking can even count as crowd control if done reliably. The summoned barriers summoners are said to have, cleric shield wall will be forms of cc.
There's many options, depending on the situation at hand.
(Edit to add that we have no word on the summoner pets...There may be a mez pet like the metaphysicist had in anarchy online for instance)
oneADseven said:
My understanding of the Quaternity is that there will be 4 major archetypes: Tank, Healer, DPS, ControlThe only class that clearly fits in the Control archetype right now is Enchanter. In saying such, I imagine that enchanters will be one of the most sought after classes in the game. If every "ideal" group has at least one character for each of the major archetypes, that places a much higher demand on enchanters than any other class. If I had to guess, I would say that bard would also fall into the Control archetype, and that would help alleviate some of the burden placed on the enchanter community. Either way, in saying such, I imagine that having the bard class added to the game prior to launch is of paramount importance. Even then, the ratio would still be 3/3/5/2. For all the bard mains out there ... this is good news!
Discuss.
I'll reiterate what was said above, we know next to nothing about the crowd control options available so don't leap to such conclusions so quickly. 'Controlling' an NPC can be handled so many different ways, some of which have been mentioned yet other are still out there waiting to be revealed. Even when we know them all, some crafty players will devise very creative applications and give us whole new things to think about.
I would imagine that the Bard, when released, will be another decent CC class. That said, the game is a bit light on the CC side, so I would not be suprised if we find that another class has more CC abilities than traditionally done in other games. We as a group tend to have preconceptions about which class will do what, as well as many other aspects of the game because of our previous experiences. It would not suprise me to see many differences in VR's interpretation. One example is Halflings, where there has been discussion of how they "should" be vs how VR has interpreted them. I for one am excited to see a bit of change here and there.
While I see several classes having some form of CC, none of them will be able to use it as consistently or dependably as enchanters. All of your examples included a class that will already fall into a separate archetype. Rangers might be considered a DPS/Control hybrid I suppose, but the off tank will still be considered a tank and the cleric a healer. I would like to see more information on what exactly the quaternity is, and how it affects the classes/roles. Will each class be more or less confined to fulfill only one of the 4 major quaternity roles? How will other roles fit into that concept such as buffing and debuffing? I would imagine these would be more accurately described as a minor role since buffs and debuffs will likely be spread out across most classes. When I think of enchanter and bard though ... I don't just think of control. I view them as more of an "Enhancer" ... I have seen the term Quaternity used several times and I am just wondering if it has an official designation or purpose in the game, or if it's more of an unofficial way to describe the 4 major roles. And with all of that being said ... what about the Enhancer role? Is that not going to be a major role in the game? Or would bards just kind of get tossed into the Control role like enchanter?
Xilshale said:Crowd control isn't just mesmerized/charmed mobs. Rooting away from the group, quality pulling to control incoming mobs, snaring and kiting an add until the group is ready for it, all count as crowd control as well. Offtanking can even count as crowd control if done reliably. The summoned barriers summoners are said to have, cleric shield wall will be forms of cc.
There's many options, depending on the situation at hand.
(Edit to add that we have no word on the summoner pets...There may be a mez pet like the metaphysicist had in anarchy online for instance)
I would agree with Xil. We haven't seen what the other classes have instore for CC and where they will fall in the 4 main roles. Additionally, you have to take in account the player's skill lvl with their particular class as some classes will more than likely be able to fill different roles depending the group make up. Historically, Enchanters and Bards have been used a CC class but they also play different roles.
Remember that one of their key words is "Encounter Control" too. I believe they meant it in context as revolving around climate-based manipulation, but I don't see why classes couldn't expand that definition. In FFXI for example, the Thief job (analogous as you can imagine to a rogue) didn't have CC per se, but did have a wealth of abilties that could manipulate the amount of threat someone had, including adding the threat of their next attack to a particular player or sieving threat from one player to another. I think such forms of soft non-dps skills could be reasonably added to classes repetoires to embellish their particular niches.
Stretching the idea of "Control" further, I imagine you could justifiably put primarily buffer-type classes, such as bards, into that category. Personally I'm hoping they iterate on this niche further with later class releases (assuming they have any).
Shucklighter said:Aradune said:As many have surmised, the Enchanter will not be the only class with CC.
Excellent. I'm hoping druids have more CC in PRF than they generally have in the past. Willing to sacrifice damage and/or heal quality for it.
Am I curious abut druid role. Will it definately be a healer? VG was more of a dps role. I know it will have healing abilities, but I am skeptical about its archeotype as a healing class.
Druid can be CC. They had harmony outdoors, snare, and root. I'm hoping they have a variety of abilities. Likely they could fill in as a few different roles if needed.
It sounds like Bard will eventually come to the game. They will be a cc class.
Necromancer didn't have much roles in a group in early EQ. I could see cc fitting with their class.
Rangers and Dire Lords might have some good cc.
Gragorie said:
Am I curious abut druid role. Will it definately be a healer? VG was more of a dps role. I know it will have healing abilities, but I am skeptical about its archeotype as a healing class.
Based off the blurb for each class on pantheonmmo.com and the fact shaman have been revealed as healer, I'm basically expecting crusader (former cleric turned martial) to be a (melee) healer along with cleric and shaman, leaving druid as a cc (thru climate control)/DMG class. And I'm really hoping I'm right on this theory.
Xilshale said:Gragorie said:
Am I curious abut druid role. Will it definately be a healer? VG was more of a dps role. I know it will have healing abilities, but I am skeptical about its archeotype as a healing class.
Based off the blurb for each class on pantheonmmo.com and the fact shaman have been revealed as healer, I'm basically expecting crusader (former cleric turned martial) to be a (melee) healer along with cleric and shaman, leaving druid as a cc (thru climate control)/DMG class. And I'm really hoping I'm right on this theory.
I do as well. I see it being more of a pet type class (charming and summoning animals outdoors), roots, and snares (aoe?)) It could be a very fun class to play. I never even considered crusader being a melee type healer. That is an interesting thought.
We know the cleric ability Pillar Shield will offer a form of CC. We also know that summoner will be able to Conjure Barricades that we can surmise will be another form of CC similar to Pillar Shield.
Who knows what else there will be but it seems like there are already a couple other forms of CC available even with our very limited info.
Xilshale said:Gragorie said:
Am I curious abut druid role. Will it definately be a healer? VG was more of a dps role. I know it will have healing abilities, but I am skeptical about its archeotype as a healing class.
Based off the blurb for each class on pantheonmmo.com and the fact shaman have been revealed as healer, I'm basically expecting crusader (former cleric turned martial) to be a (melee) healer along with cleric and shaman, leaving druid as a cc (thru climate control)/DMG class. And I'm really hoping I'm right on this theory.
I hope your wrong about that. It just doesn't make sense that a former Cleric, now tank, is a healer.
Also, Summoner can create barricades so there seems to be some CC with that class.
OakKnower said:Xilshale said:Gragorie said:
Am I curious abut druid role. Will it definately be a healer? VG was more of a dps role. I know it will have healing abilities, but I am skeptical about its archeotype as a healing class.
Based off the blurb for each class on pantheonmmo.com and the fact shaman have been revealed as healer, I'm basically expecting crusader (former cleric turned martial) to be a (melee) healer along with cleric and shaman, leaving druid as a cc (thru climate control)/DMG class. And I'm really hoping I'm right on this theory.
I hope your wrong about that. It just doesn't make sense that a former Cleric, now tank, is a healer.
Also, Summoner can create barricades so there seems to be some CC with that class.
Once a Cleric, the Crusader has a call transcending the customs of the Cleric Order. Led by her convictions, she sets off to carry out her own righteous judgment.
This never states crusader is a tank, just not following the customs of the cleric. Could mean she wants an alternate way to heal. In any case, its fun to speculate.
Gragorie said:OakKnower said:Xilshale said:Gragorie said:
Am I curious abut druid role. Will it definately be a healer? VG was more of a dps role. I know it will have healing abilities, but I am skeptical about its archeotype as a healing class.
Based off the blurb for each class on pantheonmmo.com and the fact shaman have been revealed as healer, I'm basically expecting crusader (former cleric turned martial) to be a (melee) healer along with cleric and shaman, leaving druid as a cc (thru climate control)/DMG class. And I'm really hoping I'm right on this theory.
I hope your wrong about that. It just doesn't make sense that a former Cleric, now tank, is a healer.
Also, Summoner can create barricades so there seems to be some CC with that class.
Once a Cleric, the Crusader has a call transcending the customs of the Cleric Order. Led by her convictions, she sets off to carry out her own righteous judgment.
This never states crusader is a tank, just not following the customs of the cleric. Could mean she wants an alternate way to heal. In any case, its fun to speculate.
I totally get it. I'm planning on rolling a Druid and well, my hopes are on heals/support/CC. Rather than DPS/CC/support.
Folks, we already have a thread titled "Quaternity" with two pages of discussion, please continue in that thread.
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