The game is titled and centered around the Pantheon, which got me to thinking about what your favorite real-life and in-game deities might be. What is the most memorable? Why were they memorable?
Roman (Greek) deities are quite interesting, as they usually are portrayed as very active within the world. However, some of the best characteristics of lore-telling is minimalism--trying to tell a story with as few details as possible--where, for instance, there may be one legend around one god or goddess that leaves the reader questioning what happened or motivates said god or goddess.
If the approach in lore telling is taken where deities in the game have a direct involvement with the world, then I suppose characteristics of those I find memorable are like that of Sheogorath of The Elder Scrolls. If the other direction is taken, where the story is told leaving the readers guessing, then Mithras is perhaps the most iconic deity.
What are your thoughts on the gods and goddesses of Pantheon: RotF?
Definition of PANTHEON
Pantheon is also a name of a Building in Rome. Which has nothing to do with this game.. as nothing to do with its Lore..
Hieromonk said:
Definition of PANTHEON
- 1: a temple dedicated to all the gods
2: a building serving as the burial place of or containing memorials to the famous dead of a nation
3: the gods of a people; especially : the officially recognized gods
4: a group of illustrious or notable persons or things
Pantheon is also a name of a Building in Rome. Which has nothing to do with this game.. as nothing to do with its Lore..
...I don't understand what you mean. Are you not thinking this through? Did you not read other definitions and just focus on the first one? Pantheon has everything to do with diverse deities, and this game is built around this idea.
Deadlyfury said:
I loved the gods of original everquest (Cazic Thule, Tunare etc...) and the fact that you could rise up against them. Hope this is the case with Pantheon
True, though I think they should be rarer or difficult to even see in the world. Those all had interesting histories and lore attached to them as well.
Vortikai said:
Hieromonk said:
Definition of PANTHEON
- 1: a temple dedicated to all the gods
2: a building serving as the burial place of or containing memorials to the famous dead of a nation
3: the gods of a people; especially : the officially recognized gods
4: a group of illustrious or notable persons or things
Pantheon is also a name of a Building in Rome. Which has nothing to do with this game.. as nothing to do with its Lore..
...I don't understand what you mean. Are you not thinking this through? Did you not read other definitions and just focus on the first one? Pantheon has everything to do with diverse deities, and this game is built around this idea.
Allow me to quote you: " Roman (Greek) deities are quite interesting, as they usually are portrayed as very active within the world. "
Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen, is not based on Greek lore, it has it's own.
Nothing more.
Alright, back on topic guys.
As someone who spends way too much time re-reading the lore, I'm hoping there are a few Pantheons for indigenous Terminus peoples (Terminosians?) that subscribe to paganistic animism / Shintoism. I like a Mediterranean civilization model Pantheon as much as the next guy, but it would be really neat to see a subversion of Western perceptions of what gods are.
The other one I'm interested in is exploring the effects of a monotheistic race encountering a world like Terminus; I can't imagine it would be peaceful.
The first one seems like it would be great as a background piece, like a critique on what it means to place so much faith in and emphasis Mythical God-Figures, and the latter seems like a good setup for a subplot in an expansion.
There's so many possibilities!
Ah yes, the posibilities... Reviving this original (old) thread!
For just the question on the nature of gods.
First off, I am avoiding this superfluent thread: https://www.pantheonmmo.com/content/forums/topic/5309/diety-s-gods
style="font-size: 10pt;">Also avoiding thread https://www.pantheonmmo.com/content/forums/topic/3460/level-caps-amp-slaying-your-own-god
style="font-size: 10pt;">I'll come to that
How are gods in Pantheon? ... no idea
but...
Spin off thread:
https://www.pantheonmmo.com/content/forums/topic/3248/religion
style="font-size: 12pt;">Race and god from Lore summary:
https://www.pantheonmmo.com/content/forums/topic/5407/homes-and-gods-of-the-races
style="font-size: 12pt;">Classes and Diety links
https://www.pantheonmmo.com/content/forums/topic/5039/crusaders-and-the-gods
style="font-size: 12pt;">Diety selection (Read Kilsin reply (2nd post) on what and if)
ARE...discussions done?
https://www.pantheonmmo.com/content/forums/topic/3585/deities-and-alliances
style="font-size: 12pt;">Kilsin answers (also 2nd post in thread) not at character select.
https://www.pantheonmmo.com/content/forums/topic/6056/religion-from-faction
style="font-size: 10pt;">Kilsin said:
May 2, 2017 6:32 AM EDT
We don't even have religion at our character select screen, not sure where you got that from my friend?
Now what I liked about the Raymond E. Feist concept I wanted to share:
There are no gods (unless I read it wrong and my perception of it is wrong, lol, but bear with my on it nonetheless)
Basically, gods are primordial expressions of what is and what forms, evolves.
Now if you focus on that, name it, assign to it, blame it for that matter. It takes form, in thought, expression definition, explanation.
Where the combined power of thought made real the fabric of existence and the perception of it by all involved.
This combined worship, fear for and an explanation for what is perceived.
This force of the collective thought for the concept made real the diety.
Strong enough and an intelligence and even a consiousness emerges.
Diety by Faith.
Then in turn by the forces of the fabric of existance focused in this Diety, this Diety's very existance is then dependant for its survival by the faith of the believers; the faithfull.
To increase its own power and survival, the diety in turn grants some believers a boon of existential fabric (mana/magic/shards), enforcing the accuracy of the belief.
In this case, Macros was able to join with the lost god of magic (magic was low on the scale as not many beleived in magic as a diety on it's own); turning his own fabric into thought and perception (otherway round).
Not to say that players could become gods, but an explanation of the gods' right to exist. And how magic and mana would be a real thing.
Where colliding worlds and colliding beliefs would be a clash of mana's.
Where gods might fight over worship.
Where players could defy gods as they are of the same stuff of the fabric of space and time.
So what will we see? Excited?
Rydan said:Ah yes, the posibilities... Reviving this original (old) thread!
For just the question on the nature of gods.
First off, I am avoiding this superfluent thread: https://www.pantheonmmo.com/content/forums/topic/5309/diety-s-gods
style="font-size: 10pt;">Also avoiding thread https://www.pantheonmmo.com/content/forums/topic/3460/level-caps-amp-slaying-your-own-god
style="font-size: 10pt;">I'll come to that
How are gods in Pantheon? ... no idea
but...
Spin off thread:
https://www.pantheonmmo.com/content/forums/topic/3248/religion
style="font-size: 12pt;">Race and god from Lore summary:
https://www.pantheonmmo.com/content/forums/topic/5407/homes-and-gods-of-the-races
style="font-size: 12pt;">Classes and Diety links
https://www.pantheonmmo.com/content/forums/topic/5039/crusaders-and-the-gods
style="font-size: 12pt;">Diety selection (Read Kilsin reply (2nd post) on what and if)
ARE...discussions done?
https://www.pantheonmmo.com/content/forums/topic/3585/deities-and-alliances
style="font-size: 12pt;">Kilsin answers (also 2nd post in thread) not at character select.
https://www.pantheonmmo.com/content/forums/topic/6056/religion-from-faction
style="font-size: 10pt;">Kilsin said:May 2, 2017 6:32 AM EDT
We don't even have religion at our character select screen, not sure where you got that from my friend?
In answer to the question you quotes from Kilsin, I think that part of people's thinking regarding Dieties comes from this Cohh video where they are talking about potentially making Dieties affect faction and other things.
Perhaps the gods should be chosen through quests? This is something I could see being worthy of a quest line...if you wanted to have your character devote to a particular diety. The way EQ did it was fine with religion chosen at character creation but then again you could not switch religions after choosing one and there were substantial faction boosts/hits for particular gods/goddesses. So going forward I'd say let players choose their diety in a different way after they gotten some experience in the world of Terminus. A quest line could allow players to see what kind of faction hits/boosts they would get as well as getting a lot of lore about the diety.
Hopefully the gods are not just some random blurb of lore, or merely raid bosses to be killed.
I don't know how deities would come into play in the game for most of the races, or even for anyone outside of Clerics and Paladins. Only Dwarves, Myr, and Humans have faith play a more or less daily part in their lives despite having no sign or contact with their deities in centuries. I'd imagine even a good number of those pious races are skeptical at this point. Elves have gods but they aren't very faith based or otherwise religious, Ogre and Skar seem very disconnected from any pantheons they ever had, while Halfling, Gnome, Archai don't seem to necessarily have gods at all (Halfling maaaybe do).
From the lore we have:
I have mentioned the Celestial Boundary and its effects. We have seen it grievously abused by the Ravaging Lord and mercifully circumvented by the sacrifice of Givani. There is the account of the Myr goddess Syronai saving her people despite the Boundary (though at tragic cost) and the persistent possibly that the WarWizard’s were created by the pantheons of each race (which would require such magnificent collusion amongst the gods I struggle to embrace it). Thus we find that whatever principality set this barrier in place between the immortal and mortal severely strengthened it once the War of Gods was over. For where there could be felt a whisper of their divine presence before, the races of Terminus find now it is oft merely a breeze. A vision is often just a dream, a premonition most times just paranoia. Is that to say there is no spiritual realm among us? Certainly not. But we are creatures of worship, who are being denied it like a child denied its parents.
What will be the outcome of this age of frailty none can say with true, tested foresight. Will Terminus stay the splintered remains of other worlds as Semina described, or shall it heal and grow into one vast expanse as he surely must have hoped? I have read countless predictions (a deplorable enjoyment of mine), heard from a number of oracles (the most reliable of whom are insane) and even suffered a soothsayer or two (an abject, unhygienic lot). All stand in need of their “parents”.
The War of Gods ended in 486 IH and it is currently 987 IH. So if the presence of Gods faded from even whispers to just a mere breeze after that, it would suggest Gods/the Celestials haven't had direct interaction or any interaction for many generations of the various races. Then seems to suggest people go around as oracles claiming to hear the gods or speak for them, or soothsayers doing the same. The people are so disconnected that when they see an elder cleric perform a feat the people think they ARE a Celestial.
I'd be interested to see how they incorporate gods into this game and if they actually affect players in any way, but I don't know if players will be picking specific ones to worship to any meaningful way...at least not until an expansion?