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Summoner Reveal Date?

    • 98 posts
    July 2, 2018 9:43 AM PDT

    I couldn't figure out where to look for information on when they were going to do the reveal for Summoner and was curious if anyone had news on it.

    • 3687 posts
    July 2, 2018 9:48 AM PDT

    1 archetype (3 classes each) is revealed each month throughout Summer 2018. The physical DPS classes were revealed in May and the Tanks were revealed in June. That leaves the Healer classes and the caster DPS classes (which would include the Summoner.) We don't know which will be revealed in July (in a couple weeks) and which will be revealed in August. But you can rest assured that either way, the Summoner will be revealed by the end of the Summer... the Summer of Summoners! If all goes according to plan, the newsletters are usually released on the second Wednesday of each month, so July 11 or August 8.

     

    • 98 posts
    July 2, 2018 9:54 AM PDT

    Thanks! Looking forward to seeing both caster dps. Healers have never been my thing though they are obviously important.

    • 3687 posts
    July 2, 2018 10:06 AM PDT

    LucasBlackstone said:

    Thanks! Looking forward to seeing both caster dps. Healers have never been my thing though they are obviously important.

    You're welcome! The enchanter will also be included in the caster archetype, so

    Caster = Wizard, Summoner, Enchanter

    Healer = Cleric, Druid, Shaman

    • 246 posts
    July 2, 2018 10:25 AM PDT

    Bazgrim said:

    The enchanter will also be included in the caster archetype...

    You're probably right about this, but I don't recall seeing that announced.

    It just brings up an interesting conundrum for me.  I thought we had a quaternity but these class reveals feel like they're being grouped in the classic trinity.  I mean, you /just/ slipped up and categorized the enchanter as DPS.  Personally, I hope they do a caster dps reveal, a healer reveal, and a CC reveal.

    • 149 posts
    July 2, 2018 6:45 PM PDT

    Shai said:

    Bazgrim said:

    The enchanter will also be included in the caster archetype...

    You're probably right about this, but I don't recall seeing that announced.

    It just brings up an interesting conundrum for me.  I thought we had a quaternity but these class reveals feel like they're being grouped in the classic trinity.

    Yeah, I noticed this too. I think it depends on whether the classes are being categorized by archetype or role. So far the reveals are going by archetype.

     

    According to archetype, it would be:

    Tank -- Warrior, Paladin, Dire Lord

    Healer -- Cleric, Druid, Shaman

    Melee -- Ranger, Monk, Rogue (Maybe Bard?)

    Caster -- Summoner, Wizard, Enchanter

     

    According to role, it would be:

    Tank -- Warrior, Paladin, Dire Lord

    Healer -- Cleric, Druid, Shaman

    DPS -- Ranger, Monk, Rogue, Summoner, Wizard

    CC -- Enchanter (and Bard when released)

     

    Necros would of course be casters, but still no word (to my knowledge) as to what role they would fill. I think it would be cool if they were the third CC class.


    This post was edited by Gyldervane at July 2, 2018 6:54 PM PDT
    • 246 posts
    July 2, 2018 7:09 PM PDT

    Gyldervane said:

    Healer -- Cleric, Druid, Shaman

    ...

    Caster -- Summoner, Wizard, Enchanter

    I follow your argument, but notice how all those "Healers" are also "Casters."  Categorizing them separately implies that it's worth distinguishing between casters that are healers and casters that are not, but /not/ worth distinguishing between casters that are damage and casters that are CC.  See what I'm saying?  Whether it's concious or not, segregating healers from all the other casters is discriminatory against crowd control I tell you!

    • 149 posts
    July 2, 2018 10:13 PM PDT

    Shai said:

    Gyldervane said:

    Healer -- Cleric, Druid, Shaman

    ...

    Caster -- Summoner, Wizard, Enchanter

    I follow your argument, but notice how all those "Healers" are also "Casters."  Categorizing them separately implies that it's worth distinguishing between casters that are healers and casters that are not, but /not/ worth distinguishing between casters that are damage and casters that are CC.  See what I'm saying?  Whether it's concious or not, segregating healers from all the other casters is discriminatory against crowd control I tell you!

    Haha, yeah, I do totally see what you mean.

    • 943 posts
    July 2, 2018 11:39 PM PDT

    I'd be fine with a separate Wiz/Sum and Ench reveal, however that means only two classes for the Mage reveal, and only one for the control reveal, since the bard is still not a guaranteed feature.

     

    For everyone's best,  aggregating them in one box (like the quatuor of Wiz/Mag/Nec/Ench in EQ) would serve us a more consequent reveal. :P

    • 3687 posts
    July 3, 2018 3:59 AM PDT

    Yes, it was not entirely correct to say they were all "Caster DPS", which is why I clarified in my next post. They are the traditional arcane caster classes (as opposed to divine casters/healers). They are indeed being revealed by archetype, not role. As Gyldervane pointed out, why reveal 5 dps classes one month and 1 CC class the next month when you can evenly split it up into 4 groups of 3 each. And if you split the DPS into melee and caster, then that only adds another month before all the classes are revealed, and idk why we would want that lol. This is just how they decided to do it. Because tbh, at the end of the summer, it really doesn't matter how they're revealed as long as they all get revealed eventually haha.

    • 246 posts
    July 5, 2018 7:53 AM PDT

    Bazgrim said:

    ...why reveal 5 dps classes one month and 1 CC class the next month...

    Why assume 5 dps classes and 1 CC class?

    • 98 posts
    July 5, 2018 8:38 AM PDT

    Shai said:

    Bazgrim said:

    ...why reveal 5 dps classes one month and 1 CC class the next month...

    Why assume 5 dps classes and 1 CC class?

    As opposed to 3 dps, and then 2 dps and 1 CC? Or do you mean that out of those classes more then 1 could be CC. The latter doesn't seem to be the case from what we have been told of class expectations.

    • 3687 posts
    July 5, 2018 9:45 AM PDT

    LucasBlackstone said:

    Shai said:

    Bazgrim said:

    ...why reveal 5 dps classes one month and 1 CC class the next month...

    Why assume 5 dps classes and 1 CC class?

    As opposed to 3 dps, and then 2 dps and 1 CC? Or do you mean that out of those classes more then 1 could be CC. The latter doesn't seem to be the case from what we have been told of class expectations.

    Exactly. I'm not assuming anything. If you need to brush up on your Pantheon class roles, you can watch my interview with Joppa here: https://youtu.be/4vebn1AN6KY 

    All I'm saying is that if they were to split up the class reveals strictly by role in the quaternity, the distribution would be as follows:

    Tank: Warrior, Paladin, Dire Lord (3)

    Healer: Cleric, Druid, Shaman (3)

    DPS: Ranger, Monk, Rogue, Summoner, Wizard (5)

    CC: Enchanter (1)

    If they were to then split up the DPS role even more into Melee DPS and Caster DPS, it would take a whole extra month to reveal all the classes. Going by archetype instead keeps it consistent and fair with 3 classes per month, and with all classes being revealed before the end of the summer.


    This post was edited by Bazgrim at July 5, 2018 9:46 AM PDT
    • 98 posts
    July 5, 2018 10:18 AM PDT

    I agree with your summary, Bazgrim. It makes the most sense to me anyway. My response/quote was meant for Shai. I was curious if they thought a breakdown by role was better for some reason. 

    • 246 posts
    July 5, 2018 11:07 AM PDT

    Easy Baz, we all know you talked with Joppa.  It was a good interview, nice work.  I don't need to brush up.

    I meant the latter, Lucas. If the quaternity is a real thing and CC is a real role on equal footing with the others, then having only one class specialize in it offends my brain.

    It's possible that both Bard and Necromancer could both speacialize in CC, but that seems like an odd choice.

    I'd expect...

    Healer: Clr, Shm, Dru

    Tank: War, Pal, Dlr

    DPS:

    -Melee: Rog, Mnk, Rng

    -Caster: Wiz, Sum, Nec

    CC: Enchanter, Bard, ??

     

    It'd be odd to have three of everything else, but only one (two?) CC specialists.

    I don't know why Baz is so hung up on how long the reveals will take.


    This post was edited by Shai at July 5, 2018 11:09 AM PDT
    • 246 posts
    July 5, 2018 11:16 AM PDT

    So maybe here's an answer.  Maybe we launch short one caster dps and two CC.  Then the class reveals from here on out just shake out however they shake out and stop following the role theme.

    • 98 posts
    July 5, 2018 11:30 AM PDT

    I agree that Necro as CC seems unlikely, though an undead themed series of spells that hindered foes could look cool ( skeletal hands reaching from the floor as a root animation, ghosts and spirits that harass or otherwise distract a foe are a couple that come to mind ). I don't think Baz is hung up on it as much as that was the information released so far as to a reveal timeline. As far as I can tell the bard is nowhere near a reveal stage so sadly we won't get a peek at them until later on I would assume. 

    I hope the enchanter reveal occurs with the other casters only because I want to see more info on all the classes as soon as possible because sometimes instant gratification is too much too resist.

    As to the oddity of 2 CC classes vs 3 classes for other roles, maybe it's just a case of " it is what it is ". Was there a 3rd CC class in EQ? I didn't play much past Kunark so if they introduced more CC classes I am unfamiliar with them.

    • 3687 posts
    July 6, 2018 3:54 AM PDT

    LucasBlackstone said:

    I don't think Baz is hung up on it as much as that was the information released so far as to a reveal timeline. As far as I can tell the bard is nowhere near a reveal stage so sadly we won't get a peek at them until later on I would assume. 

    This is correct. Last I heard, the Bard won't be a part of the current set of reveals. If it does indeed get confirmed for launch, it would probably end up having its own reveal. I'm just passing on what I know. Like I said earlier, it ultimately does not matter at all whether they get revealed by archetype or role, or even alphabetically! I just think it'd be silly to take 5 months to do something that could just as well be done in 4.

    I agree that it's kinda strange there'll be 1 (or 2) CC classes at launch. That's what I was trying to get at when Joppa dropped the bean about Bards. But that's an entirely different discussion, as this thread was just a question about the Summoner reveal date.

    • 98 posts
    July 9, 2018 11:54 AM PDT

    I hope caster reveal is next. Really eager to see hints of summoner ( and wizard to some extent ).