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Homes and Gods of the Races

    • 4 posts
    February 20, 2017 9:33 PM PST

    Can someone move this to the Pantheon Lore Topic - I posted here by mistake.

    Based on everthing I've read and the world map as it stands, here is some information I've collected on the races brought to Terminus. Please let me know if there are any mistakes.

    Dwarves

    Home City: Khadassa - Continent: Whitethaw - Third Collision: 7 IH - Gods: Khaza (Descended to High Mortal - Current King of dwarves), Rhazik (Forcibly Descended to High Mortal - Imprisoned), Lockehnhammur (Lock, Ehn and Hammur)


    Elves

    Home City: Faerthale - Continent: Kingsreach - Third Collision: 9 IH - Gods: Aellos and Dythiir


    Humans

    Home City: Thronefast - Continent: Kingsreach - Second Collision: 450 IH - Gods: Ossari (Descended to High Mortal - Deceased)


    Dark Myr

    Home City: Syronai's Rest - Continent: Reignfall - Second Collision: 450 IH - Gods: Syronai (Descended to High Mortal - Deceased), Nythir (God of Battle - Deceased)


    Archai

    Home City: Su'Roa - Continent: Whitethaw - Second Collision: 450 IH - Gods: Haethus-Kevgrejl (Descended to High Mortal - Status unknown)


    Ogres

    Home City: Broken Maw - Continent: Reignfall - Third Collision: 12 IH - Gods: Graven Hold (Pantheon name)


    Humans

    Home City: Thronefast - Continent: Kingsreach - Second Collision: 450 IH - Gods: Ossari (Descended to High Mortal - Deceased)


    Halflings

    Home City: Sorhiryth (Wild's End) - Continent: Kingsreach - Third Collision: 620-22 IH - Gods: Kiren (Ward of Flame), Six Wards of Hiryth (Pantheon name)


    Skar

    Home City: Skargol - Continent: Reignfall - Third Collision: 620-22 IH - God: D'shath (The Nine God)


    Gnomes

    Home City: Skyhold - Continent: Above Whitethaw - Third Collision: 620-22 IH - Gods: ?


    One thing that interests me is what caused the era of collisions. Perhaps it has something to do with the mysterious entity mentioned in The Dragon Accord.  I think that this is the same entity that stops Rok'Nhilthamos at Ka’Druhorr - the one the Dragon King calls Emissary. But why would the dragons recede from the world and the Emissary bring in new races?

    P.S.
    There is a spelling error on the Ogre page:
    When cast upon the naked land of Terminus, the frail bounds


    This post was edited by linea at February 20, 2017 9:43 PM PST
    • 113 posts
    February 23, 2017 9:24 PM PST

    "But why would the dragons recede from the world and the Emissary bring in new races?"

    I have a theory about this, but it's...sciency?

    So, the laws of Thermodynamics point to a certain truth - for every process, every single thing that happens in the entire universe (or any universe that subscribes to Thermodynamic laws), the entroy (or disorder) of the system increases.  This is commonly rendered in science as leading to the eventual "heat death" of the universe as matter and energy is dissipated equally across it, but due to the vastness of the universe, at very low levels.  That is, the background radiation/temperature of space is about 4 Kelvin, or -370ish Celcius, or - 5XX degrees F.  There's not enough energy for survival of life and essentially all chemicals become inert, meaning basically nothing would happen from then on.  It'd be like that episode of Reboot where Hex turns everything except herself and Bob to stone (wow, props for ANYONE who gets that reference.  XD)  While energy and matter may still exist (eventually just a low level baseline of energy in the far far FAR future), it will be incapable of any actions at that point, the energy having been rendered into a "useless" state (as energy cannot be created or destroyed, but its state can be changed).

    ...but...there are a few caveats.

    First, Einstein came up with a general equation to describe the universe that had a mystery term in it.  That is, it needed some extra variable term to work, but he never really had a good idea of what this variable WAS/IS.  Physicists now think it's a parameter that has to do with the "cuvature of the universe", which is to say, will the universe eventually fall back in on itself (a Big Crunch where, like an accordeon, everything that was spreading out from the Big Bang falls back together until it is another big mass and becomes the Big Bang of the next incarnation of the universe) or will it be either "flat" or expanding - both of which kind of lead to heat death, just the expanding side leads to it faster.

    Secondly, while it is true that the entropy of the SYSTEM (universe) will increase with all actions, on the local level, entropy can actually DECREASE.  This explains how things like evolution (and increase in structure and order/decrease in disorder) are possible - they basically shunt the disorder to the outside world.  So you can evolve a Human, for example, but it will make the Earth a more chaotic place.  It's like an "almost sort of conservation law that isn't a conservation law".

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    This second point is where the movement of races and Terminus could make some sense.

    Imagine if you were a super-uber God.  You're higher than the Pantheons, and you see that the universe will have an eventual heat death probably.

    ...but wait, WHAT IF you took a bunch of planets and races, slammed them together into one, and then shunted all the entropy out of that planet into the rest of the universe?  By doing so, you could make a world that could, in effect, outlast the age of the universe so many times over as to be basically infinite.

    This to me makes some sense as an expalantion of Terminus:

    Over time, refugess are being brought in waves to what amounts to a planet-sized-arc.  A Planet-Arc if you will.  Just with entire people groups instead of just a male and female of each species.  Terminus is intended as a refuge to survive the eventual fates of the universe.

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    Something I left out ont he "Big Crunch" scenario - if everything in the universe fell back into that big bass of energy and matter, everything that does so is destroyed.  It'd be like if everything fell into a giant sun.  All of your space ships, monuments, and obviously all life forms, would be consumed.  Yes, all their energy/atoms would be reused in the new universe, so it's still a somewhat "brighter" scenario than the heath death one (which is singularly depressing - all the monuments will eventually wear with time until nothing is left but cold space dust and all life has long since fallen to extinction), but as life forms and as individual structures and technology and such, it's all gone.

    ...but, what if you found a way to "wait out" the Big Crunch and the following Big Bang?  Then your species/culture could join this new universe as it's forming.  Whether you could shape it and "be gods" is an open question, but you'd be looking at billions or trillions of years to live and thrive in this new universe until the next Big Crunch/Big Bang - which you presumably now know how to "ride out".

    ...what if Terminus is that "riding out"?  What if it is being built as a world, an arc (like Noah from the Bible or like the Forerunner in Halo, same difference) to keep these races/civilizations from around the universe alive until after the next Big Bang, so that they can be then seeded/allowed to go to other worlds and continue life anew in this newly formed universe?

    In this telling/way of thinking about it, the Celestial Barrier might, in addition to keeping Celestials out (unless they descend to High Mortal form), also protect Terminus from the ravages of a dying universe and the birthing of the new one.

    Of course...if the universe Terminus is in is one suffering a heat death rather than a Big Crunch/Big Bang, you could also look at it as a ficiliator to shunt the entropy out of Terminus and a shied to slow/prevent entrophy leaking back in, to thus extend the life of Terminus.

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    I remember reading something early on in the lore (which I now seem unable to find) that the world of Terminus was thrown together this way as sort of a last ditch effort to save something (the universe, presumably) from an otherwise inescapable darkness.  A gambit, of sorts, and it wasn't even certain if it would work.

    But, by the power of SCIENCE(!), I think what I described above might be one possible explaination, though there are others.

    Whether Terminus is an Arc to ride out the birthing of a new universe or a refuge to sustain life within a dying one...both do make some sense if you see the Celestials as sort of higher state of existence/knowledge/and technology beings.

    But hey: It's just a theory.

    A theory...about a game.  ;)

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    "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

    XX

    • 113 posts
    February 23, 2017 9:30 PM PST

    Oh.  Though I guess there is ONE further question:

    Why would the dragons agree to this?  To share their lands?  Moreover, not even share - basically to give up their homes to these refugess from other worlds?  Like, I can understand a pact to share the world, but the Dragons aren't simply sharing their homes - they basically moved out of them and went to live in caves and sewers, hidden from the refugees sheltering in their lands.  It'd be like if everyone in your country packed their things and vanished into the wilderness so refugees could use our homes, but we vanished so completely the refugees couldn't even find us when they went looking for us.

    That, I would guess, one would learn if they could get a copy and read/understand the Dragon Accord.

    What we do know is that whatever this Emmisary is, it's powerful enough to hold shut the jaws of an elder dragon - the Dragon King - at least momentarily, and to hold deference from said Dragon.  But Emmisary usually means representative, not principle agent.  That is, a diplomat, not a king.  Someone that works for someone even more powerful than they.

    Did this more powerful being basically tell the Dragons "This is how it's going to be.  You're either going to work with me on this project of mine, or I'm going to destroy you." ?  Or is it more a pact between equals where, instead of threats, the Dragons were promised something in return.  "Blood for blood.."?

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    Regardless, Dragons still obviously exist, yet they have decided to willingly surrender their homes to refugees and go into hiding so thoroughly that none of the refugees can even find them in the modern era.

    The why behind that is still a mystery.

    • 40 posts
    March 17, 2017 3:46 AM PDT

    linea said:

    Humans

    Home City: Thronefast - Continent: Kingsreach - Second Collision: 450 IH - Gods: Ossari (Descended to High Mortal - Deceased)

     

    Great list!
    Just thought to mention that Humans are mentioned twice on your list :)

     

    -sorte.

    • 1327 posts
    March 17, 2017 5:53 AM PDT

    Thanks for putting all of these in one place!