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Cannibalize

    • 14 posts
    November 13, 2015 6:18 PM PST

    One of the things that made the EQ shaman interesting to me (aside from its hybrid nature) is how active it was.  Rather than just sit on your butt you could use canni to regen mana quicker, and if you wanted to get real crazy you could canni dance to get even more.  It would be great if that active play style was preserved for Pantheon's shaman, and perhaps extended to more abilities.  Cannibalizing all the way down to 25% HP or lower can create some really fun, tense moments, but what if there were similar mechanics that allowed a shaman to buff or debuff enemies at some sort of personal cost other than mana?  Maybe that cost is HP, maybe it's something else.  If it's HP, maybe some effects are heightened depending on how much health you're missing.  Just a thought.

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    November 13, 2015 9:51 PM PST

    We had similar versions of this in VG too for our Shaman class, it was awesome and added a lot to the class especially trying to micro-manage it while doing a dungeon run, fighting a named or raiding, it just added that extra element that I really enjoyed :)

    • 21 posts
    November 21, 2015 12:01 PM PST

    I played a shammy in VG too loved it and if theres a combo of both games ill be playing another shammy for sure. Don't make their spells the dearest in game like they were in EQ1 please ;)


    This post was edited by Asbo at November 21, 2015 12:01 PM PST
    • 557 posts
    November 25, 2015 3:22 PM PST

    The EQ1 shaman was, hands down, the best class in that game.  I always choose Shaman classes if they are available but so far none of them have been as exciting, interesting and useful as the EQ1 Shaman.

    • 85 posts
    January 12, 2016 5:06 PM PST

    I loved my shaman in EQ1, until groups were not so nice when the BST came out.

    I do like the idea of trading some life to place a hex on a mob or something.

    Frankly there was also something about giving a full set of buffs to someone.  It wasn't like throwing a shield and thorns and that was it... It was filling their buff window with candy... and they loved you for it!  A mechanic that you can cast buffs for donations is also a fantastic way to make coin... so please don't lock buffs to group members only like some not so nice games have done!

    • 12 posts
    January 14, 2016 1:32 PM PST

    I too played an EQ1 Shaman as my main and one of its 'sooper powahs' was being able to go toe to toe with big baddies while using Canni and torpor to stay alive and out last the baddie...


    Lodizal still trembles with fear when I zone into Iceclad!

     

     

    Ummie

    • 36 posts
    March 16, 2016 10:01 PM PDT

    Just dial up the mana returned, the HP taken and the recast time.

     

    I can still hear the sound effects from casting cannibalism 15 years ago

    • 250 posts
    March 17, 2016 4:41 PM PDT

    Thunndar said:

    Just dial up the mana returned, the HP taken and the recast time.

     

    I can still hear the sound effects from casting cannibalism 15 years ago

     

    +1

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    January 12, 2017 11:54 AM PST

    Thunndar said:

    Just dial up the mana returned, the HP taken and the recast time.

     

    I can still hear the sound effects from casting cannibalism 15 years ago

     

    Early ranks of the spells were small amounts. But I recall that level cap versions were more like what you're talking about. Big HP chunks, less "dancing". Although, if you did the dance, I think it turned out to be more mana in the same amount of time. You could sneak one or two in during combat to get one more heal/dot/dd off. You exchange versatility and more active button pressing for , lets say, 80% efficiency and less button pressing.

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    January 19, 2017 3:28 PM PST

    Take half my health, give me back a fourth of my mana--or whatever. Just don't force me to cast Cannibalize 30 times in 2 minutes.

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    January 19, 2017 8:31 PM PST

    Anistosoles said:

    Take half my health, give me back a fourth of my mana--or whatever. Just don't force me to cast Cannibalize 30 times in 2 minutes.

    I too didn't really love Canni until I got into the 50's because early on the ratios were terrible.  Canni 1 was 0.66:1, Canni 2 at 0.70:1 and Canni 3 was no more efficient than Canni 2.  Canni IV capped out at 0.90:1.  The only really good Canni was the AA ability.

    I wouldn't mind seeing a Canni more like the EQ1 necro Lich line...a continuous decrease in HP with a continuous increase in Mana.  Their form was nearly 1:1 even in the early levels rising to 1:1.2 in the 70s+. 

    • 250 posts
    February 17, 2017 1:04 PM PST

    Vandraad said:

    Anistosoles said:

    Take half my health, give me back a fourth of my mana--or whatever. Just don't force me to cast Cannibalize 30 times in 2 minutes.

    I too didn't really love Canni until I got into the 50's because early on the ratios were terrible.  Canni 1 was 0.66:1, Canni 2 at 0.70:1 and Canni 3 was no more efficient than Canni 2.  Canni IV capped out at 0.90:1.  The only really good Canni was the AA ability.

    I wouldn't mind seeing a Canni more like the EQ1 necro Lich line...a continuous decrease in HP with a continuous increase in Mana.  Their form was nearly 1:1 even in the early levels rising to 1:1.2 in the 70s+. 

     

    Sounds good!

    • 38 posts
    March 20, 2017 7:06 AM PDT
    One of my favorite features of the Shaman from EQ. I will be very happy to see this in Pantheon.
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    March 20, 2017 7:24 AM PDT

    I think it's a great ability. Pretty much the definition of Risk vs. Reward. But I also retain the possibility that Shamans will not have canni in Pantheon. *gasp* I know. Or maybe it will just be slightly different and with a different name. To me, Shamans in Terminus seem more like Seers and less like tribal witch doctors. This is part of the reason why I think Elves can be Shamans. They are focused more on seeing the past, present, and future. It's less about primitive rituals and fetishes. Now that's not to say they won't have some ability that costs hp to regen mana. I think it's a great mechanic. But I think it will be stylized a little differently to fit the different identity of the Shaman. I could be wrong, but that's my gut reaction.

    • 250 posts
    March 20, 2017 2:45 PM PDT

    Bazgrim said:

    I think it's a great ability. Pretty much the definition of Risk vs. Reward. But I also retain the possibility that Shamans will not have canni in Pantheon. *gasp* I know. Or maybe it will just be slightly different and with a different name. To me, Shamans in Terminus seem more like Seers and less like tribal witch doctors. This is part of the reason why I think Elves can be Shamans. They are focused more on seeing the past, present, and future. It's less about primitive rituals and fetishes. Now that's not to say they won't have some ability that costs hp to regen mana. I think it's a great mechanic. But I think it will be stylized a little differently to fit the different identity of the Shaman. I could be wrong, but that's my gut reaction.

    I certainly see your point, but cannibalize for a shaman in a game that is "the spirit, if not the essence, of EQ1" is a must. 

    Give me cannibalize, or give me death!

     

    Can I trademark that for us shamans?

    • 557 posts
    March 20, 2017 5:53 PM PDT

    Anistosoles said:

    I certainly see your point, but cannibalize for a shaman in a game that is "the spirit, if not the essence, of EQ1" is a must. 

    Give me cannibalize, or give me death!

     

    Can I trademark that for us shamans?

    Give me cananbilizie so I can give myself death?

    • 26 posts
    March 22, 2017 8:30 AM PDT

    Anistosoles said:

    Take half my health, give me back a fourth of my mana--or whatever. Just don't force me to cast Cannibalize 30 times in 2 minutes.

    Would love to see a canni ability, but more on the order of this quote from Anistosoles or as Bazgrim put it, "stylized a little differently".