Just to clarify (or ask you to clarify) ... are you saying that they threw away their potential for good gameplay?
Or just the combination of great gameplay and graphics? (just asking because I think the gameplay definitely still has potential to be great regardless of graphics).
Jothany said:Mod Edit:
Allegations about Brad from the past, as well as discussions about his passing, are not acceptable topics for discussion on VR's forums.
Wait, what do you mean? I get getting rid of stupid things, but why can't we talk about his passing? What, we can't mention he's gone or how sudden it seemed? I don't understand this reasoning for having stuff deleted. What was said? What rule is this under for the forums? Is this a specific rule no one has heard of before? Look, I get it, Brad was a friend and it probably still hurts for some that he's gone, but this is a very vague and not a very thought out reason for deleting things. If it's clearly bull, get rid of it, but explain just a little better as to why stuff was deleted; because this screams of "just because"
OCastitatisLilium said:
Jothany said:
Mod Edit:
Allegations about Brad from the past, as well as discussions about his passing, are not acceptable topics for discussion on VR's forums.
Wait, what do you mean? I get getting rid of stupid things, but why can't we talk about his passing? What, we can't mention he's gone or how sudden it seemed? I don't understand this reasoning for having stuff deleted. What was said? What rule is this under for the forums? Is this a specific rule no one has heard of before? Look, I get it, Brad was a friend and it probably still hurts for some that he's gone, but this is a very vague and not a very thought out reason for deleting things. If it's clearly bull, get rid of it, but explain just a little better as to why stuff was deleted; because this screams of "just because"
It's been established that some of the volunteer moderators freely edit posts they don't like or disagree with. Ridiculous, but factual. Today is 4th anniversary of Brad's passing, heaven forbid we remember a man that started this company and gave his entire professional life to the gaming industry.
Prevenge said:It's been established that some of the volunteer moderators freely edit posts they don't like or disagree with. Ridiculous, but factual. Today is 4th anniversary of Brad's passing, heaven forbid we remember a man that started this company and gave his entire professional life to the gaming industry.Yes, it has been strongly established that the rules, listed in the link below, must be followed to avoid having your posts edited or deleted, this is a fact. Correct, Sweety. https://seforums.pantheonmmo.com/content/forums/topic/14508/official-forum-rules-and-guidelines
Okay, but none of this answers the questions I asked...
Sweety said:OCastitatisLilium said:It's been established that some of the volunteer moderators freely edit posts they don't like or disagree with. Ridiculous, but factual. Today is 4th anniversary of Brad's passing, heaven forbid we remember a man that started this company and gave his entire professional life to the gaming industry.Jothany said: Mod Edit: Allegations about Brad from the past, as well as discussions about his passing, are not acceptable topics for discussion on VR's forums.Wait, what do you mean? I get getting rid of stupid things, but why can't we talk about his passing? What, we can't mention he's gone or how sudden it seemed? I don't understand this reasoning for having stuff deleted. What was said? What rule is this under for the forums? Is this a specific rule no one has heard of before? Look, I get it, Brad was a friend and it probably still hurts for some that he's gone, but this is a very vague and not a very thought out reason for deleting things. If it's clearly bull, get rid of it, but explain just a little better as to why stuff was deleted; because this screams of "just because"
The post was not a polite remembrance. The moderators have been instructed to remove posts that violate our rules rather than edit portions of them, expect to see that moving forward.
Sweety said:OCastitatisLilium said:It's been established that some of the volunteer moderators freely edit posts they don't like or disagree with. Ridiculous, but factual. Today is 4th anniversary of Brad's passing, heaven forbid we remember a man that started this company and gave his entire professional life to the gaming industry.Jothany said: Mod Edit: Allegations about Brad from the past, as well as discussions about his passing, are not acceptable topics for discussion on VR's forums.Wait, what do you mean? I get getting rid of stupid things, but why can't we talk about his passing? What, we can't mention he's gone or how sudden it seemed? I don't understand this reasoning for having stuff deleted. What was said? What rule is this under for the forums? Is this a specific rule no one has heard of before? Look, I get it, Brad was a friend and it probably still hurts for some that he's gone, but this is a very vague and not a very thought out reason for deleting things. If it's clearly bull, get rid of it, but explain just a little better as to why stuff was deleted; because this screams of "just because"
OCastitatisLilium said:
Sweety said:OCastitatisLilium said:It's been established that some of the volunteer moderators freely edit posts they don't like or disagree with. Ridiculous, but factual. Today is 4th anniversary of Brad's passing, heaven forbid we remember a man that started this company and gave his entire professional life to the gaming industry.Jothany said: Mod Edit: Allegations about Brad from the past, as well as discussions about his passing, are not acceptable topics for discussion on VR's forums.Wait, what do you mean? I get getting rid of stupid things, but why can't we talk about his passing? What, we can't mention he's gone or how sudden it seemed? I don't understand this reasoning for having stuff deleted. What was said? What rule is this under for the forums? Is this a specific rule no one has heard of before? Look, I get it, Brad was a friend and it probably still hurts for some that he's gone, but this is a very vague and not a very thought out reason for deleting things. If it's clearly bull, get rid of it, but explain just a little better as to why stuff was deleted; because this screams of "just because"
I get that, but this doesn't answer my question on the reason why any of that was taken down. If you all were just remembering him and just casually chatting, then it shouldn't have been deleted, if there was some bullshit going on like people were just saying outright nonsense about him, then the deletion should quote what rule is being used as justification on the deletion and a brief description of what was deleted. Like:
Post deleted for Rule 1:"-Show respect to other users at all times. No name-calling, insults, or personal attacks toward anyone." Please do not perpetuate rumors of Brad partaking in illicit or criminal acts, and please do not perpetuate rumors of his cause of death. This falls under Rule 1 and had been removed for the violation.
At least this gives people the reason why it was taken down so they are not repeating the offense, be that accidental or purposefully. It also tells people how to avoid being deleted in the future. This isn't rocket science, it's basic CS skills. If they really wanted to, they could quote the most egregious one as the example so that people can see what was deleted and how to avoid it. They don't have to, but you need to at least give people more than what the dude said.
EDIT: I should edit in here that the example I gave isn't implying anyone was saying anything like that, but was given as an example of what a mod could put up to give a more clear reason for people reading the thread.
Jothany said:
Mod Edit:
Allegations about Brad from the past, as well as discussions about his passing, are not acceptable topics for discussion on VR's forums.
RedGang said:Furthermore, you didn't just delete the parts with Brad, you deleted the whole post, conveniently censoring the messy past of Pantheon.
Savanja said:The moderators have been instructed to remove posts that violate our rules rather than edit portions of them, expect to see that moving forward.
RedGang said:
Jothany said:
Mod Edit:
Allegations about Brad from the past, as well as discussions about his passing, are not acceptable topics for discussion on VR's forums.
You cannot accurately summarize the history of Pantheon without including it's creator Brad. Furthermore, you didn't just delete the parts with Brad, you deleted the whole post, conveniently censoring the messy past of Pantheon.
NoJuiceViscosity said:
graphics isn't everything though. maybe the gameplay is gonna be s tier. plus with simpler graphics, it would be easy to implement new dungeons and assets that won't be out of place. there's tradeoffs and if there's anything i know its keep it stupid simple kekw!
chenzeme said:
If you didn't notice, there are post's with his name as long as it is in passing. For it to be removed there musts have been something along the lines of "Brad would..." or "Brad would not...". This is not rocket science. Leave his memory out of arguments, as you just do not know. Just disrespectful!
Make your case without using his name. Move on. PLEASE!
Looks like this has turned in to an argument about the rules of the forums. If you have questions about forum rules you can DM Savanja (or another mod if you're more comfortable discussing with a certain mod). If a rule isn't clear I'm sure it can be cleared up that way and then Sav can determine if her posted rules should be modified for clarity.
Time to get this back on topic or it'll be locked.
Ranarius said:Just to clarify (or ask you to clarify) ... are you saying that they threw away their potential for good gameplay?
Or just the combination of great gameplay and graphics? (just asking because I think the gameplay definitely still has potential to be great regardless of graphics).
Good gameplay and poor graphics already exists - Everquest TLP's - What I was hoping for here was both great gameplay and atleast present day graphics. Imagine insane graphics with UE 5 and the gameplay from Everquest - the imersion would have been epic