Susurrus said:
I would like to make a proposal on allowing pledgers to pay a monthly fee ranging from small to around $15 a month. Have that pledge slowly add to there total pledge amount opening new pledge tires as they reach them. This gives both VR a stead flow of income that is predictable and the pledger an easier way to purchase higher tier pledges.
Susurrus said: I have noticed this idea being talked about on Discord too that once you start paying you would get access. My idea is that you would only get access to what your total contributed amount allows access too. For example if you had previously pledged for Alpha access and now started making monthly payments of 14.99 you would only gain per-alpha access once your total pledge amounts added up per-alpha levels. Same thing if you start monthly without any previews pledges you would unlock pledge levels as you hit them not before. My expectations would be that most people would only use this to increase there pledge level. It would be a way to both support Pantheon in an affordable way long term with the added advantage of the possibility of unlocking higher pledges.
That sounds excellent to me.
Susurrus said: I have noticed this idea being talked about on Discord too that once you start paying you would get access. My idea is that you would only get access to what your total contributed amount allows access too. For example if you had previously pledged for Alpha access and now started making monthly payments of 14.99 you would only gain per-alpha access once your total pledge amounts added up per-alpha levels. Same thing if you start monthly without any previews pledges you would unlock pledge levels as you hit them not before. My expectations would be that most people would only use this to increase there pledge level. It would be a way to both support Pantheon in an affordable way long term with the added advantage of the possibility of unlocking higher pledges.
Sounds like a great way to get more cash flow from people that otherwise are not going to be spending more. Sounds like a win/win for both! I like it.
Susurrus said: I have noticed this idea being talked about on Discord too that once you start paying you would get access. My idea is that you would only get access to what your total contributed amount allows access too. For example if you had previously pledged for Alpha access and now started making monthly payments of 14.99 you would only gain per-alpha access once your total pledge amounts added up per-alpha levels. Same thing if you start monthly without any previews pledges you would unlock pledge levels as you hit them not before. My expectations would be that most people would only use this to increase there pledge level. It would be a way to both support Pantheon in an affordable way long term with the added advantage of the possibility of unlocking higher pledges.Let's try the math:
Prevenge said:
Personally I wouldn't upgrade from my alpha pledge, as I would hope they'd be in alpha sooner than 33.4 months from now. I definitely wouldn't want to pay 14.99 a month for over 2 years just to get a pre alpha access as again, I'd hope they'd be long into alpha before then, if not beta or SUPER optimistically, LAUNCH.
justdrop said:
Prevenge said:
Personally I wouldn't upgrade from my alpha pledge, as I would hope they'd be in alpha sooner than 33.4 months from now. I definitely wouldn't want to pay 14.99 a month for over 2 years just to get a pre alpha access as again, I'd hope they'd be long into alpha before then, if not beta or SUPER optimistically, LAUNCH.
Ahahahaha
Prevenge said:
justdrop said:
Prevenge said:
Personally I wouldn't upgrade from my alpha pledge, as I would hope they'd be in alpha sooner than 33.4 months from now. I definitely wouldn't want to pay 14.99 a month for over 2 years just to get a pre alpha access as again, I'd hope they'd be long into alpha before then, if not beta or SUPER optimistically, LAUNCH.
Ahahahaha
Sorry, what I mean is that's what I think most people would think, when they were looking at the prices. If I knew you were here I would have tried using puppets and crayons to explain instead of text.
justdrop said:
Prevenge said:
justdrop said:
Prevenge said:
Personally I wouldn't upgrade from my alpha pledge, as I would hope they'd be in alpha sooner than 33.4 months from now. I definitely wouldn't want to pay 14.99 a month for over 2 years just to get a pre alpha access as again, I'd hope they'd be long into alpha before then, if not beta or SUPER optimistically, LAUNCH.
Ahahahaha
Sorry, what I mean is that's what I think most people would think, when they were looking at the prices. If I knew you were here I would have tried using puppets and crayons to explain instead of text.
No, most people who aren't here don't even trust VR to be creating the game at this point. Perhaps you could stick to the discussion and not make this personal.
Prevenge said:
justdrop said:
Prevenge said:
justdrop said:
Prevenge said:
Personally I wouldn't upgrade from my alpha pledge, as I would hope they'd be in alpha sooner than 33.4 months from now. I definitely wouldn't want to pay 14.99 a month for over 2 years just to get a pre alpha access as again, I'd hope they'd be long into alpha before then, if not beta or SUPER optimistically, LAUNCH.
Ahahahaha
Sorry, what I mean is that's what I think most people would think, when they were looking at the prices. If I knew you were here I would have tried using puppets and crayons to explain instead of text.
No, most people who aren't here don't even trust VR to be creating the game at this point. Perhaps you could stick to the discussion and not make this personal.
Give a post worth responding to, in the forum of discussion and you will absolutely get the same in return. I've been trying to figure out what the general outside view of Pantheon is right now. Reddit has quieted right down, there are far less negative posts and comments since the 247 rollback, the youtube comments are quite a bit more positive, still a bunch of "game is never coming out" comments as well, but it's definitely trending upwards.
Honestly? I think they might be ok.
Susurrus said: @Prevenge Thanks for doing the math, I should have done that on my original post. I am sure for some people this funding proposal would not work for them at all and the higher tier you are the more likely it would not be helpful. Well unless you just want to donate more to the cause. But for the lower tiers $14.99 a month would add up quick. I am assuming most people that would use this option would have a pledge level already and if you are below the Advisor's Pledge ($300) every $50 would increase your tier level. This would mean ever 4 months you would upgrade to the next tier. I think that could be an intensive. For those of us at alpha or higher what about offering the option to buy future subscription time. It could be a one for one or at a discount? Not sure I would be crazy about selling my future income if I was VR but if they need the money now it might be worth it.My pleasure. The problem is tier upgrades don't get you anything new as far as game access outside of 250 and 750 dollars. So the timeline is what I think would drive most people away. But hold on. Let's try it at 30 dollars a month, as it's still a fairly digestible number. Subscription Costs:
You didn't have to respond at all. The pulse isn't really tough to put a finger on, if comments have died down overall that tells you less people are interested than before. They got mad at the situation and then dipped. VR understands that the problem isn't necessarily negativity, but apathy, and that's what they're going to be up against especially when the reality is that some people put in 10 years ago and still have received nothing, now the company is looking for more.
Susurrus said:
Well VR has the advantage on us here. They know how many people pledge for the lower tiers that really only get slight changes of Beta access. Hard to say how many of them would add on a monthly fee.
The higher monthly amount of $30 would for sure get you alpha and pre-alpha a lot faster and if this is what most people buy it might be the best option to offer. But it is not all the much lower then the $50 upgrade option offered now on the higher packages. Those options have the advantage of giving you the access immediately.
Prevenge said:
You didn't have to respond at all. The pulse isn't really tough to put a finger on, if comments have died down overall that tells you less people are interested than before. They got mad at the situation and then dipped. VR understands that the problem isn't necessarily negativity, but apathy, and that's what they're going to be up against especially when the reality is that some people put in 10 years ago and still have received nothing, now the company is looking for more.
Well of course, a lot of people were only here because there was drama. Nothing new, there.
Were you not at the Q&A? Joppa just confirmed that the whole money thing isn't at all what people are saying. They have enough money. This really is just to accelerate things. I can tell from his tone of voice that it was an honest answer. But whether you believe me or not, is up to you.
justdrop said:
Prevenge said:
You didn't have to respond at all. The pulse isn't really tough to put a finger on, if comments have died down overall that tells you less people are interested than before. They got mad at the situation and then dipped. VR understands that the problem isn't necessarily negativity, but apathy, and that's what they're going to be up against especially when the reality is that some people put in 10 years ago and still have received nothing, now the company is looking for more.
Well of course, a lot of people were only here because there was drama. Nothing new, there.
Were you not at the Q&A? Joppa just confirmed that the whole money thing isn't at all what people are saying. They have enough money. This really is just to accelerate things. I can tell from his tone of voice that it was an honest answer. But whether you believe me or not, is up to you.
A dishonest opening statement, unsurprised.
Now here's where I'm going to question you: I'm 20 minutes into the vod currently, did Joppa say that money isn't what people are saying or did he say we're not out of money? If he says so after the 20 minute mark I'll correct myself but I want to see if you were truly listening.